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A few doLinda does notBut that's just my opinion Grim- and it wont change bud :). lol your insight is interesting reading.. [This is very good lawyering. He reinforced it was alright to act on the dangerous impulses this particular assortment of people had. All the excuses people make for themI personally know- as we all do I am sure- quite a few people whose parents were divorced when they were very young. Equally, the idea of Linda as the heroine of the hour is daft to me even though I think she did the right and good thing by testifying. She need only repeat his words. As soon as Atkins testifies Bugliosi has a pretty good case against Kasabian. AND Paul Watkins, who KNEW Charlie INTIMATELY said: "The Black Muslims will prevail in the final Black and White battle. St Circumstance saidBut not Linda. She chose to be the way she wasBut not in a vacuum. Even if all the things said about her are true in terms of immunity and self interest, that doesn't change that. [Off course he goes adding a third objection. Linda grew up in the New England town of Milford, New Hampshire. I remember reading it over at the now dearly departed Cat's site. :). But it's still 'spin'. I have for the past many years looked at these crimes from the prospective of how I might have handled the defense. And it is almost impossible - hell, it is impossible - to cut the guy who proclaimed himself the Devil before butchering nine people any slack. Deemers doesn't have her even having one but since Mark Ross and others are on the list he must have been updating after she got picked up? Eventually, she. Now that is a great question and I decline to answer on grounds I might further incriminate myself. She. And so on. Ask yourself: if her story is not accurate why didn't she just tell the truth? Even if she was alone for as long as 2 or 3 minutes, a pregnant, tied, tired, scared {described by Atkins as "going out of her mind"} Sharon wasn't The Fugitive on TV who would take the first possible opportunity to effect escape.From the confusion that all of the perps have spoken of that night, what I've gleaned is that we have all the details of what happened at Cielo but the order of events has never been clear after Jay was shot. Charles Manson and the Killing of Shorty Shea, Charles Manson Behind Bars: The Crazy Antics and Amazing Revelations Of America's Icon of Evil, Charles Manson: The Man Who Killed the 60s, Charles Manson. Why ?Lo' and be hold, Bugliosi had a perfect scenario to answer this very important questionYou make it sound like he made it up ! The good guys are the victims, the bad guys are the killers. Saint- I commend you for your deletions. At the start of the trial he said "In this trial, we will offer evidence of Charles Manson's motives for ordering these seven murders. MM said: This supports the copy cat motive. When family members have secretly filmed some of the goings on, it's hard to get the resultant film out of one's mind and just as hard not to apply the contents to everyone in that line of work. LolI thought you sent me there for the motive bit. So he does have redeeming qualities and a good side as well. It's doubtful she would have gotten a California license simply because she had no permanent address and moved around a lot, even from state to state. I am not heartless. There are so many times when he asks Linda if she has understood the question. One defense attorney after the next, tried unsuccessfully to punch holes through her testimony. Her contentious relationship with her stepfather eventually led to her dropping out of her high school and running away from her home. Anniversary thoughts- Leary7 said it best. Who Is Linda Kasabian? She said Manson supposedly announced it was "time" (seemingly out of the blue) for Helter Skelter. All the stuff we're interested in wasn't of such weighty consideration for a jury that wanted facts about who did what and why and were they guilty ?And there are times her testimony 'just don't make no sense'There were times when Kanarek's questions just made no sense ! At the age of sixteen, she married Robert Peasley; however, the marriage did not last long and ended just after a few months. In fact, his case is better against her then Van Houten at that pointAccording to his book, nothing said in the grand jury could be used against Atkins and nothing she said could be used against her co defendants. From the Watson trial:Q: Now, you know helter skelter involved violence, didn't you?A: Yeah.Q: Did you tell anybody, did you tell Mr. Manson that you didn't want to be part of any violent scheme?A: No.Q: You knew that it involved the killing of people, didn't you?A: But I didn't know that that was our part in it.Q: What did you think your part was going to be?A: Well, that when helter skelter came to the city, when the blacks and whites were getting it in the city, and the city was burning, we were supposed to go in the dune buggies, with the children and bring them back to the home in the desert.Susan was the one that tied the murders to HS when she spoke with her cellmates but none of them went out on the night of August 8th to consciously ignite it. They killed the people 'Because Charlie told us to.'" A trip to see the SS might have broken his case apart and make another witness (DeCarlo) useless. yeah, let's all comply with Saint. Maybe you should judge what you think based on your own heart and not others. It really does bear examination. I am still in contact as recently as 12/16. Bugliosi would want that covered up and it was easy for him to do sobecause NONE of them said anything about what took place after LaBianca, until Kasabian got her deal. When her second marriage started to deteriorate, the article stated that Linda and Tanya moved back to New Hampshire to live with Joyce. Linda purposely brought Sadie and Clem to the wrong door, and the mission was aborted. But she never says she took the wallet, though the general assumption was that she had. When you get to the heart of it, it is Bugliosi who says the motive was HS (+ megalomania+ anti-social hatred of the establishment+ lust for murder depending on when). ]But her last statement in the world of saintly jurists is not 'reliable': you as the listener/ reader should stop listening/reading where indicated. I did not mean to offend and apoligise if I did.You said: Do you mean by the jury ?Do you feel Judge Older was somewhat derelict in his duty by letting so many leading questions go through ?You know I swore I wasnt going to do this. By 1980 50% of marriages had/were ending in divorce. Charlie has opened a slight window on why Tex was picked, George on the others. Both began their move away from straight society as young teens. Robert Hendrickson posted: AND now look at Donald Trump's legal "draft dodging" exploits and how THEY are going to lead to the EXPOSURE of many notable "closet cowards" amongst our sacred "establishment." I have a terrible habit of taking this too personally. In Robert's book, there is some discussion on this that is quite interesting.But either way, it's a red herring. Ask Van Houten. I'm kinda thinkn' there were plenty of precursors, gleefully ignored, or dismissed.Linda's report cards packed with A's and B's? When he then asks "do you mean 3 a.m. or midnight" he's leading the witness. Or was she there to cheek, or kester the comatose, old duff's meds? He said something to the effect that Charlie had a very strong case and that there was pretty much no evidence against him. About what time did you arrive at the place?A (by Kasabian). It was at night and I had no knowledge of what was happening until we actually got there." Go figure that one out.NOW, thank God, the whole issue of heroes, sacrifice and cowards is finally coming out of the closet. Dreath saidI have for the past many years looked at these crimes from the prospective of how I might have handled the defense. If you really want my opinion- to me it confirms she had no intention of testifying. "I don't like what Hitler did or represents in the wider scheme of things but I can see the good side he had in terms of helping Germany back from it's collective knees after what happened with Versailles. It is usually something unrelated to what they are being asked like Krenwinkels Sharon wasnt supposed to be there comment I read about somewhere. His questioning of her at the Grand jury didn't minimize the horrors of what she was about. I haven't been back to this thread in a couple of weeks. Not because I'm being argumentative {after all, I am the current holder of the Consensusinidem award of the most pedantic know it all on the TLB blogs } but because I'm curious.Her background should have had a greater impact Well, during the 11 days she was grilled by the defence, we learn a lot of stuff about Linda Kasabian. But so much was made of that in the aftermath of her 2009 revelation by those that thought they'd found Linda's smoking gun, that the facts were not examined and as a result, what is in fact a rather damp squib is felt by some to be the tip of the iceberg of Kasabianesque deception.During her time on the stand, lots of really interesting, but essentially unimportant stuff was brought out by the defence lawyers, Fitzgerald & Kanarek in particular. You can correct me on that one. Are any of you people aware of the history of Jehanna D'arcAKA Jone of Arc?Delusionalmaybe, but it would be the equivalent of Lesley Van Houten taking her knife and not killing innocent soft targets, but storming the LAPD for her beliefs. It should also lead us directly to Charles Manson (a loving father to HIS Family and a Natural Born KILLER to many others.Like no other time in History, WE are discovering new facts concerning just what makes the Human Brain tick and hopefully it won't be much longer until WE finally understand exactly why human beings do the "terrible" things THEY do.AND of course, that understanding will eventually lead to a sense of awareness in humans paralleled in all of history. When I've told people of how I came to be living there and what I experienced in those 4 years and how I got away, people think it's ever such a dramatic tale. Even with all the people that eventually formed part of the huge patchwork needed to make Manson's role make sense, without an Atkins, a Van Houten, a Krenwinkel, a Watson or a Kasabian, the case was so limp and that's why people would say to the prosecution things like "shame you had to be landed with such a bummer !". There were bits that really made her look cheap, like when it was brought out that Joe Sage helped her out with money and Gary Fleischman's name because he wanted her to be his doxy..and she obliged ! How could you skip that? Everything he did was part of a plan to wage a horrible war (murder). In a 2009 docu-drama by Cineflex, she elaborated her story for the first time in detail. I'm saying a good DA could have convicted them using that tool and yes, Van Houten is the example. For Susan it was over relatively quickly so Sharon being left alone for a short space of time may not be as relevant as you imply it is. I just personally have a real bad reaction to what I call "Absolutist Proclamations".i.e. A good example is that Mike McGann interview of Leslie that CieloDrive.com put up. You believe she was largely an accurate witness. In an effort to reconcile their marriage, Bob talked Linda into coming out to California. When things didn't work out with Bob, Linda decided to go with Gypsy back to Spahn's Ranch. I would have likely done the exact same thing. And there are times her testimony 'just don't make no sense'.A large part of this never saw the light of day because as Mr. Hendrickson noted there was no $$$$. She down plays her Boston arrest by saying she was present where narcotics were present (technically correct) but wouldn't it have been fun to have a few more details for the jury: a fed/state narcotics raid involving 20k worth of LSD? The same night, Manson instructed Linda Kasabian to take part in killing of actor Saladin Nader herself. No big deal. There wasn't enough room in the car for Cappy to go, so WHY didn't SHE just hitch a ride down to the hamburger stand, slit a throat and steal some fries ? The failed policies of passive resistance, marching and speeches must give way to the use of violence to bring about social change because the pigs are using violence against us. But if he did use Helter Skleter to motivate the others to do the crimes for him, and those who actually did the killing- thought they were doing it in the name of Helter Skleter.Which is the real motive? Manson Blog Proves the Updated Manson File is Fiction! We know very little of any consequence about what any of them were like or did prior to or after the murders ~ and to be honest, that's how it should be. I don't read her responding, "no, its ok I'll testify anyway". And wherever she tripped up, she corrected herself somewhere later. var part3 = "David at Mansonblog dot com"; At the age of 16, Drouin dropped out of high school and got married, and soon after, divorced. Linda explained what had happened, and said that she couldn't have brought Tanya because it would've looked too suspicious. I don't know.Q. But I'd force myself to read them just in case I missed something.And I still did ! I still thought I read something somewhere that Krenwinkel said it at a parole hearing or something. But she testified against great danger. She admits to stabbing Rosemary in it mate ! Strike 1! So if Kasabian stumbles on what he wants and says they arrived at the Polanski residence "4-5 hours after dark". Strike Two! There is an interesting quote from Fleischmann in an issue of the Free Press prior to Kasabian becoming the star witness. It was the general consensus at the end of '69/start of '70 that the prosecution had a very weak case. Again, Dreath, very interested in your knowledge- the information you are sharing is very refreshing. After the trials, Linda escaped the public eye by going back to New Hampshire. And some members of the killer's families such as Leslie's dad or one of Tex's siblings might have lived for years haunted by what someone they loved was capable of doing.My original point in the above post was just to say that old cliche of being impossible to judge a person or situation unless you walk a mile in their shoes. Another interesting point: Kasabian never said the motive was Helter Skelter. They both got to live out long lives. Before goofball goes off on Hollywood did I hear her initially say 'she shouldn't have been there'?I'm inclined to not attach much credence to what Sandy says regarding the murders because she told Robert that she was probably the last to find out about them and didn't do so for a month, even though she claims she felt her group had done them and reportedly told Mary Brunner this. So that is another mystery.All in all, I'd say what he could/should have been charged with doesn't add up to a life in prison and being America's poster boy for evil.I'll also say I don't think the case was handled properly and that he was used by various people for political and personal ambitions and while he is no angel, I don't think he is all bad and find him to be far smarter than the average idiot you deal with on a day to day basis. However, problems between the young couple led Linda and Tanya back to New Hampshire. Let's save our sympathies only for those He deems good. You are all welcome. I am and was a good friend of Linda's. And I find it hard to believe that Bugliosi was so stupid as to not check either, knowing that his case would be seriously compromised if it came out that LK had no valid licence.Incidentally, it was Bugliosi and Bugliosi alone that speculated that the the only reason Linda was along both those nights was because she was the only one left with a valid driving licence, being that Mary was in the clink. Don't post that when I'm taking a drink of beer. How about the ones who went into service and spent the war stateside?BTW: I was one of the cowards who got a college degree during that time. 'Now is the time for HS' only works if you have three parts: (1.) I have to thank Matt and Deb as they did the formatting and such due to my questionable computer skills. She did not participate, but was the driver of the vehicle that took them to and from the murder sites. Susan started off saying it, but in a roundabout way {the crime to shock the world and now HS could begin} but from the penalty phase onwards has denied it. People who developed life long drinking and smoking weeds habbits as 15 and 16 year old's with no steady parental influence. At the front door, she ran into a stabbed and beaten Wojciech Frykowski. Her background should have had a greater impact. Though it may sound like an almost insane point to make, I think that the real loser in the entire saga was indeed Linda. Their involvement in the murders was soon discovered. It came up from a variety of sources, some of whom weren't even in the Family. var part1 = "gw"; She let the cat out of the bag about so many other things. DEBUNKING THE BUNK PART 1: A Look at Joel Rostau, Thoughts on the LaBiancas and the motive on August 10th, Benedict Canyon Acoustics and Bugliosi's Timeline, The Law: Conspiracy to Commit Murder, Felony Murder and One for the Colonel. But the people who count are the ones who did the crime. Charlie out and free. BUT Bugliosi said she (only she oddly) thought it was a creepy crawl mission. Did Bugliosi actually use any scenario that did not come from someone else ? He said something to the effect that Charlie had a very strong case and that there was pretty much no evidence against him. It's questionable to anybody with an objectionable mind who can smell bullshit. It Gets Charlie off the hook. The two split up, but reconnected when Robert invited Linda to come out to California. Bill Kurtis can make it sound like the best name ever. The big question: How do WE know she wouldn't kill? But here you go. The trial ? She was Yana the Fatty in high school I see. So that's some good analysis Mother Kasabian. She has been portrayed a number of times in films. But not every brain is wired the same - our neurotransmitters are just ridiculously different in everyone. Linda, who was found, possessing methamphetamine, avoided a jail sentence by attending drug-counseling classes. If Linda did in fact have a valid driver's license. Linda Darlene Kasabian was born on June 21, 1949. She is a good person, who became involved with the wrong people. Dreath saidAt what price, my friend? Even to this day, what makes HS so strong is that it kept on coming up. If I point all these out here I won't have things to post in the future ;-). But Pat's "Rise" and "Death to pigs" is arguably the Family's calling card and one of the main pointers to Charlie. "Journey into Darkness" is a good start. Who you are is determined by what you do when you get back up.". At least ONE Black man personally died in the jungles of Vietnam so HE could get a FREE Blow-Job. White battle or something so many times when he then asks `` do you mean 3 a.m. or ''... Is interesting reading.. [ this is very refreshing the formatting and such due to my computer. 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